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Re: warp
Fri, August 8, 2008 - 3:58 AM"I don't see this leading immediately to a warp drive, but I could see it leading to other interesting possibilities in basic scientific research," said Ford.
Cleaver agrees that the creation of a real warp drive is still far away.
"Warp drive isn't doable now, and probably won't be for the next several millenia," said Cleaver.
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either there are gravitons or there aren't.
if there are, warp is dooable in our lifetime. If there aren't, its probably not dooable EVER. -
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Re: warp
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:30 AMI didn't think dark energy has been proven and described. I thought it was just a concept they used to fill in some holes in theories to make them work. The same with extra dimensions. -
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Re: warp
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:32 AM
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Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:11 PMthe first line:
In physical cosmology, dark energy is a hypothetical exotic form of energy. -
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Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:27 PMPerhaps it will be confirmed as fact before long. It does seem a likely candidate. -
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Re: warp
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 11:28 PMWarp Drive
topic posted Wed, June 6, 2007 - 6:51 AM by offlineprometheusPAN delete entire topic
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Table of Contents
* Axiom1
It is impossible for any object inside of the universe to travel at a speed faster than the speed of light.
* Axiom2
It may be possible for an object to essentially "Leave" the universe, and thus, for "distance" to become something very different than it is now.
* Axiom3
An object might be able to travel faster than the speed of light, if it was isolated inside of a Gravitational bubble which was traveling through a wormhole.
* Axiom4
Traveling without a gravitational bubble through a wormhole would be fatal, for a variety of reasons.
* Axiom5
The amount of gravity that a ship will have to distort space/time is always equal to the normal mass energy of the vessel itself.
* Axiom6
Warp, if it works, will be based on using some sort of energy field to come into phase with the gravitional field of th vessel.
* Axiom7
Warp, if if works, will change the specific energy state of Gravitometric quanta, such that a gravitaional bubble forms inside of a wormhole.
* Axiom8
Rate of Speed in Tunnel; ROSIT; Refers to the rate of speed that a vessel would travel down a wormhole. This cannot exceed half of the speed of light or the vessel looses its ability to sense ahead of it. Early warp technologies will actually use fairly low ROSIT speeds.
* Axiom9
Ratio Multiplier of Wormtunnel RMWT; A useful wormtunnel will be shorter on the inside than it is on the outside. The question here is, how much shorter?
* Axiom10
"Warps" Cannot rationally refer to any given speed. Instead, they refer to advanced level Warp Technology, which uses multiple levels of Tunnel. Wormholes inside of Wormholes. Warp 1 thus means 1 worm hole tunnel. Warp 2 thus equals 2 wormhole tunnels, one inside of the other. The actual warp speed will depend on the RMWT and the ROSIT of each Tunnel.
* Axiom11
A functional warp drive system uses magnetic, Tachyonic, AntiEnergy, or other such means to create wormholes. These wormholes actually form dynamic whorl matrixes similar to those describing black holes. Each wormtunnel on the outside must be spun past by virtue of a thrust wormhole. There are thus worm tunnels writhing down the center of any early level warp technologies warp Engines.
* Axiom12
The minimum number of warp engines to counter vortex spin and chaos is 4. Each warp Engine generates a wormtunnel which merges into the others at an event horizon line ahead of and in back of the vessel. Those holomorphic singularities then branch wildly out, or flare, to form the bulbous sphere of the warp bubble. The warp bubble is propelled forward by the zero point energy agitation of serious spatial distortion.
* Axiom13
Another way of describing Axiom 12 is to say that a warp engine generates actually a wheel, whose spokes are pure energy, and whose curving surface is a magnetogravitic spatial distortion.
* Axiom14
The hardest part of generating a useful warp field is making space Roll. Leaving the universe is the easy part. Navigating in hyperspace is whats hard.
* Axiom15
Space and Time are actually 3 Geometric and 1 Kinetic Dimensions. We don't know if there are more Geometric or Kinetic Dimensions, But if there are, they are very small in width. For instance, maybe there is a 4th geometric dimension, which has a width of less than a single atom. It would be a whole dimension, but there would be no point in perceiving it. It would exist on too small a scale. However, it might render useful means by which to control, route, and modulate Warp Energies.
* Axiom16
Space and Time may be composed of many Geometric, Kinetic, or Frequential (Quantum different) Dimensions. If there are more dimensions, and we can learn to access them, this gives high hopes to warp travel theory.
* Axiom17
If there are no extra dimensions, they can be in theory manufactured using gravitometric spatial distortions.
* Axiom18
If warp travel becomes possible, it is unlikely that the limitations of "Star Trek" would apply. While there may be limitations, and we don't know what they are yet, the truth is, Warp Speeds fast enough to go to ?Andromeda Galaxy seem every bit as possible as Warp speeds to go to Alpha centauri.
* Axiom19
Falling theory. It may proove to be true that the easiset way to generate a warpfeild is to use a distant gravity well as a target pseudo singularity. If this becomes true, the largest obstacle to warp drive will become finding suitably large targets free from any intervening gravity wells.
* Axiom20
Any normal matter which encounters a warp boundary will be turned cataclysmically into graviton energy.
* Axiom21
Any civilization with warp travel technology has by another name mastered the gravitational bomb. Thus, Warfare in reality won't be pretty, won't look like laserbeams or what not, and entire solar systems could be destroyed by really very small pieces of apparatus. A Gravitational bomb creates a gravity well with a very high specific gravity and a very large feild of effect. Even if the bombs energy only lasts a second, the entire solaar system in question could be yanked towards a single location strongly enough that the solar system would be doomed. The point of this axiom is that Warp Technology warfare is very improbable because it is another order of magnitude larger a "MAD" (Mutual assured destruction) Problem.
* Axiom22
Any civilization with warp technology also has in theory the capacity to access zero point energy to create mass or energy by polarizing Zero. This would end all economics as we know it.
Addendums;
Axiom A;
A functional warp engine will be hollow, and the internal wormtunnel will actually travel down the center of the warp engine, flare out fore and aft, and curve around the ship.
Axiom B;
The amount of energy used to do this is not as important as the degree of organization. In theory, a very small amount of energy could do it if that energy was very highly organized.
Axiom C;
A warp field uses a magnetic field to modulate and cross interfere with the vessels own gravitational field. The vessels own gravity is the initial warp field until the warp distortion begins.
Axiom D; Thus, the wormtunnel can be defined as a distortion, at first, of the vessels own natural gravity.
Axiom E; Thus for early warp experiments, It will actually be (somewhat counter intuitively) Better to use VERY LARGE
vessels since they have more gravity to start with.
omnis.if.ufrj.br/~mbr/warp/
arxiv.org/abs/0807.1957
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Sun, February 1, 2009 - 12:44 AMRe Axiom 18
Originally Gene saw Warp 10 as being log 10 or nearly infinite. Thus it was impossible to reach warp 10, but speed records in the 9.x range were known, with Enterprise holding the human record. In the Next Gen, they wanted more ships and less local availability so they tinkered with the speeds to create the modern warp system which is not logarithmically based, but more linear or at least geometric.
As I read these, I got to thinking a lot about Farscape. They incorporated much of this into their mythology, including the wormhole weapon. -
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Wed, February 4, 2009 - 9:08 PMplease do tell, since i could never stomach farscape?
in reality as far as we know the only means to travel ftl is to leave the universe and re-enter it from hyper dimensional hyperspace.
in theory this method would allow virtually instantaneous travel between any two points in the universe.
Without a lot of limits on that.
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Re: warp
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 1:22 AMWell, most of the serie was involved in getting the wormhole information out of John's head. but a lot of the science gets packed in to the movie. So if you can stomache 2 hours of it, the peacekeeper wars ties it all up pretty nicely.
Basically, the wormhole that took john to the space where the show mostly happened was part of a network of natural wormholes. He eventually could sense them and began getting into trouble as he hit on alternate realities as well. Essentially wormholes were tunnels through space and time, plus there's no reason you couldn't use them to traverse the alternate realities described by goedle and shrodinger. Most SF concentrates on getting through a wormhole in the same space-time. But Farscape really played with the science of it.
In peacekeeper wars he gets permission from the people who gave him the wormhole information (long story, just go with it) to demonstrate a wormhole weapon to stop a galactic war. They help him do it and he fires up a worm hole that increases in size geometrically instead of maintaining a fairly small event horizon. Since the hole is in space time and goes nowhere, anything the hole touches immediately evaporates without regard to shields, armour, etc. By the time it increases to the size of a large red star, the war is moot as both sides take mortal losses, and the weapon threatens to engulf the entire quadrant.
Wonderful show. When in doubt, watch Claudia Black. Totally worth it. :) -
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Re: warp
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 2:17 AM"Since the hole is in space time and goes nowhere, anything the hole touches immediately evaporates without regard to shields, armour, etc."
One of the newest Stargate Atlantis episodes had something similar... they opened a stargate on top of an enemy ship and it totalled it. -
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Thu, February 5, 2009 - 3:23 AMYeah, it's been an established thing that the "flush" corona of any stargate opening was absolutely devastating to matter in our universe. Tylk used this fact for a gate buried in lava, there was the ice tunnel on the second gate, and the prisoners who would "free" themselves by jumping in as the food deliveries would arrive.
Not a lot of hard science in stargate. Part of the problem is the relationships from the movie to the two series. The movie people hate the series because they took things all the wrong way There was supposed to be 2 maybe 3 more Goulds and they wouldn't use humans. The series were subject to the wretched description of the 7 gate sequence codes (to find a fixed point in space you only need the intersection of two lines, not three). And then, of course, if the Atlantians built the gates, why did they switch to the more primitive gate design for the Milky Way galaxy after leaving the digital gates in Pegasus? Granted, any show on for 10 years is bound to have a contradiction or two, but sheesh, at least do it the way Nex Gen did with the warp speed limits artificially imposed because they were "destroying space".
Ahem.
But getting back to the point, I wonder if the gate flush is supposed to be like a wild wormhole weapon forming then being .... managed into a workable travel venue. -
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Re: warp
Fri, February 6, 2009 - 3:59 AMwell, all can say to any of that is that one primal failureof most science fiction is that a warp drive by another name is also a planet destroyer
or even a solar system destroyer or a gravity bomb. It takes the idea of mutual assured destruction to a whole new level and essentially ensures low drama aliens. not that great for plots tho.
If you can generate a wormhole to travel inside of, you can generate a wormhole to cut a planet in half or even just dice up an enemy ship
into 4 billion exact parts.
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Re: warp
Sun, February 1, 2009 - 12:18 AM"fill in some holes" is what most science is based on (ie gravity an evolution)....LOL!
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